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Re: Either/Or expanded edition coming out April, 2017

Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:27 pm

larrycrane wrote:PS: When critically listening make sure your entire system is top quality. Gain structures, signal chain, amps, monitors, headphones, convertors, etc; These all can make a recording sound worse. On my BURL convertors and ATC monitors, and on whatever we had at Telegraph Mastering, we heard everything very clearly. It's quite easy for a consumer CD player to distort, not to mention everything that can go wrong when playing audio from a computer. 1/8" jack to your stereo or headphones? Might as well forget it. You'll be listening to the crap convertors and headphone amp in your computer and the music will be massively compromised. I'm skeptical of most LP players, needles, carts, and preamps as well. Most fail at some level. These are my professional (and spoiled) opinions so please refrain from trying to start some argument with me about any of this. I won't respond.

PS: Please don't post lists here of what gear you are using or ask me questions about home listening gear. I use expensive pro stuff because of work and don't have any idea which "audiophile" gear is utter crap or great. A lot of it is based on BS and marketing....


Thank you for the reply!

Re: Either/Or expanded edition coming out April, 2017

Thu Mar 16, 2017 2:22 pm

Hey Larry. Loving the reissue. Sounds amazing! I had a quick question about the gear you guys were using for Either Or. I seem to remember that Elliott brought a Manley reference mic and a Summit mic pre to Jackpot and he had a Tascam 1/2 inch 8 track. Were those the main things you guys used or was there more stuff that you already had that got used a lot? Or did he keep any of the Heatmiser gear that they used for Mic City Sons? Thanks and congrats again!

Eric

Re: Either/Or expanded edition coming out April, 2017

Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:39 am

[quote="larrycrane"][quote="placeholder68"]hey, if you ever get the chance, check out Big Star's Third box-set (http://omnivorerecordings.com/music/complete-third/) on Omnivore as an example if you're ever looking for a From A Basement project to pitch or curate. :)


I just ordered this. Must be the 4th or fifth time I've bough this album! I didn't know about this version. Jody and I get to hang out occasionally; he's one of my favorite people.


That's awesome! Yeah, Third rules and the box set is super dense and kicks ***. The track listing on the "Final Masters" portion does not let you escape the weirdness of what was going on in those sessions.

Re: Either/Or expanded edition coming out April, 2017

Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:15 pm

As far as Elliott's gear the person above is mostly incorrect. See the Tape Op article I wrote. It just came out and should be online soon.

Re: Either/Or expanded edition coming out April, 2017

Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:16 pm

Ps: I barely worked on the original Either/Or as my liner notes attest. Please buy the re-release to learn more

Re: Either/Or expanded edition coming out April, 2017

Sat Mar 18, 2017 2:20 pm

Here's Elliott's gear near the end of recording Either/Or as best as I can remember and see in photos I took.

Tascam 38 8-track reel-to-reel 1/2-inch tape deck
Mackie 1604 console
Panasonic SV-3800 DAT recorder
Audix Studio 1A passive monitors
Behringer Composer compressor
Digitech TSR 24S dual channel processor
Ibanez AD 202 analog delay
AKG D112 dynamic microphone
Audio Technica Pro 37r small diaphragm condenser mic
Shure SM57 dynamic microphone
Langevin CR-3A large diaphragm condenser mic

Elliott also owned an Orban Compressor/Limiter 414A and an Orban/Parasound Dual Reverberation 111B spring reverb, but this gear never seemed to work properly when we installed it at Jackpot!, nor can I hear it being used on any of his recordings from this period.

Re: Either/Or expanded edition coming out April, 2017

Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:35 pm

I've shown my support and bought the release. I am really glad to get a good recording of My New Freedom, finally the version of I Figured You Out that Elliott recorded before he 'gave the song away because it sounded too much like The Eagles', and Bottle Up & Explode alt version (No One Needs to Know) which I didn't even know existed. I find it fascinating that Elliott 'recycled' ideas and recorded songs early on and then revisited them with very different versions in later years, as discussed in HAY.

Yes maybe 'The Enemy Is You' would have been a good addition but you can't have it all, its always tempting with such a release to look straight at whats NOT on it before appreciating what IS on it. Human nature I guess, we're never satisfied.

I think, along with many other Elliott fans no doubt, that we are FAR from 'scraping the barrel' with posthumous releases. Barrel scraping in my eyes is a glut of endless demos and countless versions of the same song as we see to a point with Jeff Buckley. There are plenty of studio recordings of unreleased Elliott songs still to officially be put out. I'd love to see a new Moon style release of his unreleased songs from 1998-2003. Also this may have been mentioned in another thread but a disc bringing together all the random songs that HAVE actually been put put would be good - singles, b-sides & soundtrack songs etc, (such as CD1 of the Grand Mal collection).

Anyway I am really happy to have HAY and now this, after a long wait since New Moon. Here's hoping for more unreleased material to officially be released, and perhaps recordings we don't even know about.

Thanks Larry for your work on this.

Re: Either/Or expanded edition coming out April, 2017

Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:00 pm

Dave_79 wrote: I'd love to see a new Moon style release of his unreleased songs from 1998-2003. Also this may have been mentioned in another thread but a disc bringing together all the random songs that HAVE actually been put put would be good - singles, b-sides & soundtrack songs etcThanks Larry for your work on this.


thanks Dave. I'm obviously not in control of what comes out, but I also am not involved in any archiving or releasing of material from 1998-2003 besides what is on FABOTH. So if UME wants to do something that's outside of what I know about. As far as collecting singles and b-sides, there was a lot of stuff around E/O that had also been released by the major label so ownership is complicated and I don't know how that would work out. Hence there being only one b-side on this release.

Re: Either/Or expanded edition coming out April, 2017

Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:04 am

Thanks Larry for your wonderful work (as always).

I have two questions. I was wondering if going through the E/O archives, you were given any clues to the potential tracklisting Elliott had for Either/Or. There's a legit alternative one that was vastly different yet close enough to release that it was pressed to CD. It sometimes pops up on eBay or various sources for sale. It included "Going Nowhere", had "No Name 5" as "Gone as Last" and excluded some tracks like "Angeles". It seems with the wealth of material he was writing for both Heatmiser and himself, he mulled over the tracklisting quite a bit and from past recollections, it does seem that Elliott did consider the tracking to be pretty important unlike some artists and at this time he had a lot of material.

Another question is if anything pertaining to "I'm Over It Now"/"Have You Seen Her?" or "A Silver Chain" have popped up when going through material. I understand those might be under UME's domain now since it was a bit after E/O.

Thanks again, it's lovely to hear the songs in a new way and I'm glad "My New Freedom" made an appearance in any way it could!

Re: Either/Or expanded edition coming out April, 2017

Sun May 21, 2017 3:30 am

I bought it on CD and snagged a brown marble 180gm vinyl (for my currently non-existent turntable). I was really happy with the remastering. I was a bit disappointed by the extra disc. Not because it was bad, quite the opposite. But I really would have liked to have seen some rare Either/Or outtakes from the archives. A flawed, but still good release.
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